I met Nick Kellet through the monthly #Ideachat Twitter chats hosted by Angela Dunn. Intriguingly enough, after we got to know each other, it turns out Nick had included Brainzooming blog content on list posts in one of his presentations about how his company List.ly is changing lists to make them more collaborativeWith a new release in the works, this is a great opportunity to hear from Nick on the next generation of lists:

9 Reasons List Posts Are Broken by Nick Kellet

Nick-KelletSo what is a list? Lists are simply a collection

We use lists to organize our lives online and off. We make lists of just about anything.

Lists are the backbone of the web. Lists exist on every web page to organize content from menus to blogrolls and so much more.

Lists are a construct that hasn’t evolved since the inception of the web, given all the changes in our social norms and the way we share, interact and engage online that feels wrong.

Lists and list posts are too important to be ignored. From here on I’m going to talk specifically about “list posts.”

Why are list posts broken?

Lists are Broken

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List posts are things such as:

List posts are a subset of all the types of lists that exist on the web (lists of videos, songs, slides, friends etc). List posts account for 30% of the content and 50% of page views. Even those who dislike list posts agree list posts work.

While list posts work well, they are still broken. At best lists use a simple HTML construct of tags. Lists are essentially dumb HTML. Lists need to be smarter.

So let’s explore. I’ve noted 9 reasons why lists need a makeover:

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9 Reasons Lists Are Broken

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Jan 29, 2013

HTML lists are not interactive. What does that mean and why is it frustrating? It simply means you cannot sort and filter the list.

This limitation changes how we interact with lists.

When we know we can filter and sort through a list it becomes more consumable. It's become a basic expectation for any dataset on the web.



Jan 29, 2013

A list that is not social does not allow the reader to engage with the content. You can't comment or vote or contribute to the list.

Today people comment below the post in the comments section. You can comment by referencing the items in the list - all manually.

Readers can suggest omissions and corrections but the list never changes. Busy publishers never return to update blog posts based on the comments. If they did, they would be highly unproductive.

Comments also include much duplication and there is no simple way to aggregate opinion.

Social engagement is also social proof. Your list becomes more trusted if people can see that it's be contributed to by many people. Acting socially is a digital native's modus operandi.



Jan 29, 2013

HTML lists are simply text.

Lists are not stored in a database in a way that lets them be intelligently queried or modified.

Lists are stored in blobs of text inside CMSs such as Wordpress.

They cannot be extended and reorganized in any way without massive human effort. This means if search practices change, your lists our outdated and invalid.

So while lists account for 30% of content, lists are of much less useful that they could be.



Jan 29, 2013

Because lists are just "text" they cannot be reused without the effort of copying, pasting, fixing any broken formatting, attributing the list to the author, linking to their original post, etc...

Lists aren't like videos and slides, where we are used to embedding and reusing these content assets. HTML Lists cannot be embedded or quoted without cutting and pasting.

Every time a list is quoted, there is a risk it does not get correctly credited. Poor attribution is as much a function of laziness, distractedness and carelessness as it is deliberate.

There's also a risk that if the list were to change, that the copied information no longer reflects the central truth.

In their current form, HTML lists are simply not reusable.


Flexible Formatting

Jan 29, 2013
Flexible Formatting

HTML lists come "as is". The format of your list can and will not change. That is limiting. If you want to change the format of all your lists posts, you need to update each post.

There is no tagging in lists to let you know how or what to change. With the rise of responsive experiences to suit our mobile lifestyle that is becoming much more important.

How things look matters today. Formatting your list in any rich way inside each post is highly inefficient and prone to error and inconsistency.



Jan 29, 2013

Your HTML list's engagement cannot be measured because you cannot engage with the list, but if you could, that would open up all sorts of options for tracking how people value your content.

You could find out so much more about the sorts of people that engage, when they engage and what content is most interesting to them.

The lack of measurement leaves the publisher in the dark.



Jan 29, 2013

Today we all love to share. Sharing is on the rise and yet lists inside your posts are not easy to share.

You can share the post, not the list.

You certainly can't share the items on the list. Sharing an item adds context and meaning.

You can mention a list item by name, but the reader has to skim the whole post to find the item.

Sharing should be an opportunity for adding context and value.

That's a missed opportunity. Sharing, with these parameters, is not practical with static HTML lists.

This friction stops people sharing. It stops readers from reading. The publisher, the sharer and the reader lose.



Jan 29, 2013

Lists don't change, they age, they date and become irrelevant. Creating content is an investment.

Ideally we want to create content to stay relevant and to engage and entertain our audiences. Lists today have a "publish once" mindset.

If your lists become social then your content can evolve and enhance over time. The evolution of your content means your content investment holds its value.

Your readers will still find your content useful. Best of all search engines love content that evolves over time.

In the world of content, evolution is a good thing.



Jan 29, 2013

Lists attract niché audiences. The only people that read specific lists are people who find that topic interesting. Lists are self-selecting. Community forms around shared interests.

When you make lists social, and your content evolves over time, more people become attracted to your content. Social proof attracts people.

When people see other people engaging on a topic that speaks to their passions, they are tipped to contribute too. We all lurk selectively, and we contribute even more selectively.

When people contribute to great lists community bonds are formed, first with the content and secondly with the people who have also contributed.

Am I missing anything? Vote for those you agree with, and feel free to add your own suggestions.

The Dawn of Interactive Lists

Lists are a wonderful concept for engaging people. Humans love to skim lists, but our social norms and expectations have changed. Lists need to change with the times.

This is the thinking that drives our vision at Listly.

The best way to experience an interactive list post is to create a list and embed it in a blog post just such as this one.

So what’s stopping you? – Nick Kellet


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2 Responses to “List Posts – 9 Reasons They are Broken by Nick Kellet”

  1. Nick Kellet says:


    Listly is not about just about collecting, it’s also about participation.

    Listly puts the reader first to become true participants. That shifts and challenges the current model “Publisher > Reader” model.

    It allows you to involve your audience by allowing them to vote, thereby validating your thought process. We aggregate feedback instead of dispersing it across many comments (as is the current norm).

    It also allows your brand evangelists to further spread your message by embedding your list(s), but allowing them to add their own context in their own post.

    Listly allows you to organize the list in a few ways, but more importantly, it allows people to pitch in and contribute. That’s a significant emotional/status shift.

    Since typically people only contribute to content they feel invested in, you end up with relevant, high value, topical, real time content – that involves your audience.